I am very much in favor this as it will stimulate the community to engage more with their hdx bags. 

Will this have relations to governance voting already as well?

[@Crane](7L1jebaeGNykbey5gZhZCD4PLVLtjPm5RKpKXRYV4NXsF6TM-hydradx) Governance activity provides `action points` which speed up the rate at which you can claim your rewards

[@lolmcshizz](7Ljigfve9PdRqvSjiRGUjVf37rbX3n89ZmaitD2hQQhtLBMN-hydradx) 

So 8,6% is considering no gov participation? How will it scale at 6x?

[@Crane](7L1jebaeGNykbey5gZhZCD4PLVLtjPm5RKpKXRYV4NXsF6TM-hydradx) No ser - as previously explained, governance doesn't impact the % rewards that are allocated to your stake - they impact the speed at which you can claim 100% of those rewards without forfeiting them to others.
Example:
- 2 users have 1,000,000 stake
- 1 user doesn't perform any actions, so by default it'll take ~730 periods for them to be able to claim ~95% of their rewards
- 2nd user votes 1,000,000 HDX at 6x conviction on every single referenda, so they would be able to claim 99% of their rewards after ~110 periods (assumption here that referenda are as frequent as they have been for the last 6 months)
- Both users over the course of the year would accrue ~8.6% of rewards, but the first user would have to wait nearly 2 years until they can claim 100% of those allocated rewards. The second user would be able to claim them more regularly (although users should remember that claiming resets their points to 0)

Now imagine situation where the first staker gets bored of staking and decides to exit after 200 days, at this point they would only be able to claim ~11% of their allocated rewards - the remaining 89% would be returned to the `pot` and allocated to the remaining stakers.

This mechanism therefore rewards active users, and those with the highest conviction and long-term belief in the protocol. It has "last man standing" mechanics in that those who remain the longest are more likely to accrue the most rewards.

[@lolmcshizz](7Ljigfve9PdRqvSjiRGUjVf37rbX3n89ZmaitD2hQQhtLBMN-hydradx) 

Now i got it mostly. Thanks!

[@lolmcshizz](7Ljigfve9PdRqvSjiRGUjVf37rbX3n89ZmaitD2hQQhtLBMN-hydradx) 
Thank you very much for explanation. When will be all the details/documentation released? Thank you

How much HDX is in the treasury right now?

[@YUNG BEEF 4.2](7MYesC9hELWbdCefydppjcNuA5rxaBJdecuFBGHEaNpJ876i-hydradx) https://hydradx.subscan.io/account/7L53bUTBopuwFt3mKUfmkzgGLayYa1Yvn1hAg9v5UMrQzTfh. ~353M

[@lolmcshizz](7Ljigfve9PdRqvSjiRGUjVf37rbX3n89ZmaitD2hQQhtLBMN-hydradx) Oughta be over 400m by the time DCA is done, so like 5% of the treasury

AYE

[@7P3P...FXiS](7P3PEbYTw2LSFaPdebVmSDZciHyBECqSd6Y2TMG5GkXuFXiS-hydradx) Me too - more or less than tortoises?

I think the cost/benefit of this is very clear, so it's an aye from me.

in this year of staking, it should be enough to gain traction and start getting enough volume and turn it into real yield, all sustainable



I like this idea considering APR would be probably very low without implementing this and could actually damage the perception of not so deep interested holders (parachain auction participants fe).

I think it is good idea for real hydraheads who don't want to sell.

We need to stop the emissions, reduce the collator set size and collator rewards. While hdx is non-inflationary, the emissions of these rewards is detrimental to the long term success of the project. It would be ideal to take other steps and measures to instead promote the network, utilization of hdx tokens, and governance participation through other means. 

Dearest Hydratooooors,

With the imminent launch of staking on HydraDX - I would like to propose that we subsidise staking rewards for the first year... my rationale is as follows:

- Stakers receive rewards every period (1 day) from a `reward pot` - in the initial design (Staking v1.0) this `pot` is filled solely by HDX trading fees. In later implementations (Staking v2.0) this will also receive trading fees from POL LP.
- Initially, due to low volumes, I expect that these trading fees will be low.
- Through DCA from POL DAI, the Treasury is currently accumulating HDX.
- A portion of these HDX could be distributed to HDX stakers in order to reward early supporters, whilst the protocol continues to be developed and HydraDX builds traction.

My proposal would be to take `22,222,222` HDX from the HydraDX Treasury, and distribute it evenly throughout `365 periods` to the `reward pot`.

I have been playing around with numbers on [this sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KoQKL3m--6rr_pYxGU66zlqgb-hV4T83QsyeqINUXsE/edit?usp=sharing) - if we assume that 10% of circulating supply stake their HDX, then the subsidised HDX rewards would provide a ~8.6% APR (non-inflationary).

Looking forward to this discussion!

HydraDX is launching staking soon and the proposal is to subsidize staking rewards for the first year. 
Stakers receive rewards every day from a reward pot which is filled by HDX trading fees. 
Initially, these trading fees are expected to be low due to low volumes. 
HydraDX Treasury is accumulating HDX through DCA from POL DAI. 
22,222,222 HDX could be distributed evenly over 365 periods to the reward pot to reward early supporters.

Subsidise HDX staking for 1 year